Muzzleloadingforum.com - Pedersoli makes a very strong barrel. Having said that, I would. join in with Musketeer and cap the loads at the 100 grain limit or equal with pellets/powder. Triple 7, 50-60 grains. The actual load you will get to by working up to with targets, so. adjust yourself based upon results.

 
I start with potassium chlorate, sulfur and antimony trisulfide. Then I use a scale that has very fine measurement and also measures in pretty much all different units but I use grains. I start by measuring out 47 grains of the chlorate, 30 grains of the antimony and 21 grains of the sulfur and dump them together in a little glass dish.. Pinjuggs

Friends, our 2nd Amendment rights are always under attack and the NRA has been a constant for decades in helping fight that fight. We have partnered with the NRA to offer you a discount on membership and Muzzleloading Forum gets a small percentage too of each membership, so you are supporting both the NRA and us.Thousands of protesters have taken to the streets of Congo's capital city, Brazzaville. At least three people have been killed during protests against a constitutional referendum t...2,427. Location. Federal Way Washington. Nov 23, 2022. #1. Thompson Center traditional muzzleloaders, arguably the best production blackpowder guns ever made. That ought to get some blood boiling.Then make a cutter along the design of a couple of saw teeth that fit the groove. This can cut the groove deeper and is advanced to the next groove. Then a paper shim is placed under the cutter and the process is repeated till the grooves are deepened to your goal. A slow and labor intensive job but rather simple.Jan 16, 2020 · 69 Cal. I’m working on a TOW Brown Bess Kit, which according to Jess Melot the owner of the rifle shoppe, the 1746 Wilets kit was a kit he designed 30 years ago for CD Jarnigan Co. That was copied over by Track of the Wolf. On a difficultly level, I can’t really say much because its my first kit build. Friends, our 2nd Amendment rights are always under attack and the NRA has been a constant for decades in helping fight that fight. We have partnered with the NRA to offer you a discount on membership and Muzzleloading Forum gets a small percentage too of each membership, so you are supporting both the NRA and us.Reaction score. 1. Aug 6, 2008. #1. I started out muzzleloading with an inline (sorry) last year. did not take me long to decide I wanted an sidelock. got a deal on an tc new englander. so I took my birthday money and bought it. first range session with it was very short. 3 or 4 shots. then rain started.Spring Rendezvous Oregon. Please join the Forest Hills Black Powder Brigade for its annual Spring Rendezvous in Mill City, Oregon May 24-27. Events include black powder rifle/pistol/trade gun, hawk and knife, primitive archery, frying pan toss, long gong shoot, children's games and activities, traders, primitive and... gferlitsch.Friends, our 2nd Amendment rights are always under attack and the NRA has been a constant for decades in helping fight that fight. We have partnered with the NRA to offer you a discount on membership and Muzzleloading Forum gets a small percentage too of each membership, so you are supporting both the NRA and us.Sep 4, 2022. #5. I got two Tradition Deer Hunters, both in .50 caliber. 60 grains (Pyro P or Real Black 3fff) has been my standard load for decades, using a PRB or the Buffalo Ball-et, which I have a good supply of. Both those loads impact the same place in my guns, as does the T/C 270 gr. Maxi Hunter.Southeast | The Muzzleloading Forum. This community needs YOUR help today. We rely 100% on Supporting Memberships to fund our efforts. With the ever increasing fees of everything, we need help. We need more Supporting Members, today. Please invest back into this community. I will ship a few decals too in addition to all the account perks you get.Community platform by XenForo ® © 2010-2024 XenForo Ltd. Development and Hosting By: Tech Daddies We have updated our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy as …The one I think I'm most attracted to is the Clay Smith kit. NW Trade Gun. A number of options. One that is attractive, from a skill level perspective, is the Pedersoli NW kit. Kibler Colonial. A no brainer build, and quality parts. For the moment, let's disregard caliber. Weight is one consideration.Join the discussion on muzzleloading rifles, shotguns, pistols, cartridges, bullets, optics, and more. Find tips, reviews, recipes, photos, videos, and sponsors for muzzleloading enthusiasts.NorCal | The Muzzleloading Forum. This community needs YOUR help today. We rely 100% on Supporting Memberships to fund our efforts. With the ever increasing fees of everything, we need help. We need more Supporting Members, today. Please invest back into this community. I will ship a few decals too in addition to all the account perks you get.40 Cal. There are many variables to consider when working up a load for any muzzleloading rifle. Bore size, rare of twist, patching material for round ball, powder type, lube for your bullet/patches. all of these things will affect accuracy and the type of powder you use and the best charge to use.990. Oct 9, 2022. #18. In this case, definitely the Uberti. Pietta has much improved their guns in the last several years but for some weird reason, decided to put an odd 8.5" barrel on their 1861. The Uberti is the proper 7.5" length. Both guns have basically the 1860 profile with a .36 caliber hole.The dovetails on a CVA Hawken are metric (don't know the exact size) smaller than the 3/8 sights most suppliers have. I bought the 3/8 and with a little judicious filing on them they fit the CVA dovetails. I didn't want to enlarge the dovetails in case I went back to the stock sights. The front & rear are the same size.A forum for muzzleloader enthusiasts to ask questions, share tips, and discuss topics related to muzzleloading. Find answers to common queries about inlines, sidelocks, smokeless, sabots, bullets, powders, and more.Sometimes, in the field, the ramrod isn't stuck that bad and you can make a little jig out of metal plate with a 3/8" hole (if that is the diameter of your ramrod). This little plate can be about 3/4" wide, 3" long, 1/8" thick and the hole at one end. You slip this over the ramrod and lift up the long end.Friends, our 2nd Amendment rights are always under attack and the NRA has been a constant for decades in helping fight that fight. We have partnered with the NRA to offer you a discount on membership and Muzzleloading Forum gets a small percentage too of each membership, so you are supporting both the NRA and us.Jimfrom the Left Coast of WA State! I like the Uberti 1861 better than the Pietta 1861 because as both are 4-screw frames CFS (cut-for-stock) but the Pietta does not have the bottom backstrap cutout for the shoulder stock. Go figure, and I am a big Pietta 1851 Navy "type" revolver fan. CZ is 2020. Here is the current Italian date code list.Friends, our 2nd Amendment rights are always under attack and the NRA has been a constant for decades in helping fight that fight. We have partnered with the NRA to offer you a discount on membership and Muzzleloading Forum gets a small percentage too of each membership, so you are supporting both the NRA and us.Powder charge. Nitro (hard) card. Shotload. Thin overshot card. Full fiber cushion wad*. *The cushion wad needs to be SATURATED (the wetter and heavier, the better) with oil. I like to use olive oil. The load seems to shine best when used in cylinder bored guns. Best of luck to all, Skychief.8,508. Location. Phoenix, AZ. Dec 30, 2020. #1. By popular demand for a sticky showing Skychief's method of loading smoothbores to get the most uniform patterns, I'm posting this link to the thread. The actual thread is a sticky in the Muzzleloading Hunting area of the forum. Click on this link and the computer will take you to it.Jan 28, 2023. #3. I would heavily recommend you get the Dragoon. The Walker is awesome for its size and the history around it, but that size is exactly what eventually makes it just turn into a PITA to shoot. The Dragoon has all the good parts of the Walker while being significantly handier.Changes in the economy and consumer trends influence the fluctuation in the housing market. Basic elements of supply and demand dictate the increase or decrease in pricing, even in...Jan 3, 2005 · Location. Montana. Jan 23, 2024. #1. One thing I do like about winter is that it gives me a little spare time to catch up on some of my projects. I just finished this 1769 Pattern Short Land Brown Bess from the Rifle Shoppe. Now I will finish out the TRS Baker rifle I started a while back. Discuss non-smokeless Inline muzzleloading rifles here! This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others.Weighs just over 8lbs, so it's quite handy for a double barrel gun. Barrel swivel detents are nice and solid. Seems in decent shape overall. These are fairly uncommon so if you're thinking about playing with a swivel breech this is about as affordable as it gets. $550 Shipping Included. Last edited: Oct 24, 2021.Hunt Talk is a website for hunting enthusiasts to share tips, stories, and questions. The Muzzleloaders forum is a section for discussing muzzleloader equipment, loads, and hunting experiences. However, it does not match the query muzzleloadingforum.com, which is a different website.Friends, our 2nd Amendment rights are always under attack and the NRA has been a constant for decades in helping fight that fight. We have partnered with the NRA to offer you a discount on membership and Muzzleloading Forum gets a small percentage too of each membership, so you are supporting both the NRA and us.Reaction score. 45. Dec 19, 2012. #15. Your rifle is indeed one of Navy Arm's Hawken "Hunter" in .58 caliber. The guns had a 1:60" twist, with a shallow .003" to .005" depth, and were specifically built to …The Gun Builder's Bench | The Muzzleloading Forum. This community needs YOUR help today. We rely 100% on Supporting Memberships to fund our efforts. With the ever increasing fees of everything, we need help. We need more Supporting Members, today. Please invest back into this community. I will ship a few decals too in addition to all the ...Kevin Houlihan said: There’s a ton of room for the rear lock bolt. The bolt will screw into the bolster to the rear of the screw that attaches the bolster to the plate. Next drill your front lock bolt so it will screw into the lock plate in front of the main spring. Be sure to miss the barrel and the ramrod groove.Apr 20, 2020. #9. Got this result with a slight variation of the Skychief load today. I used 4 overshot cards in place of the nitro card. I found that when shooting with a nitro card I was getting a donut pattern, though the standard Skychief load still significantly reduced pattern size. Also, dont mind the artwork!Jan 23, 2015. #12. Flint62Smoothie said: FWIW a mint CVA Mountain rifle in 54-cal just sold on 21Jan2015 for $485 on the Gun Broker auctions! I was gonna bid if it stayed under $450.00, thats was my top price....almost had me one, was sure a nice lookin rifle! J.Kevin Houlihan said: There’s a ton of room for the rear lock bolt. The bolt will screw into the bolster to the rear of the screw that attaches the bolster to the plate. Next drill your front lock bolt so it will screw into the lock plate in front of the main spring. Be sure to miss the barrel and the ramrod groove.Friends, our 2nd Amendment rights are always under attack and the NRA has been a constant for decades in helping fight that fight. We have partnered with the NRA to offer you a discount on membership and Muzzleloading Forum gets a small percentage too of each membership, so you are supporting both the NRA and us.Friends, our 2nd Amendment rights are always under attack and the NRA has been a constant for decades in helping fight that fight. We have partnered with the NRA to offer you a discount on membership and Muzzleloading Forum gets a small percentage too of each membership, so you are supporting both the NRA and us.Jan 8, 2023. #1. Making a Powder Horn, Part 2- Scrimshaw. Today I have the borders all done and ready to do my panels and more. After five hours though, it was time to quit for the day. Decorating a Powder Horn is really an individual's own choice.Friends, our 2nd Amendment rights are always under attack and the NRA has been a constant for decades in helping fight that fight. We have partnered with the NRA to offer you a discount on membership and Muzzleloading Forum gets a small percentage too of each membership, so you are supporting both the NRA and us.Got a new toy. | The Muzzleloading Forum. This community needs YOUR help today. We rely 100% on Supporting Memberships to fund our efforts. With the ever increasing fees of everything, we need help. We need more Supporting Members, today. Please invest back into this community. I will ship a few decals too in addition to all the account perks ...20. Location. Western Connecticut. Feb 27, 2023. #1. EZ Loader I Cap & Ball Revolver cylinder loader. Sold through Powder Inc. Can be used with all percussion Cap & Ball revolvers. , 40-45 cal and 32-36 cal. All hardware, fittings, instructions included.What it looks like, does matter. There are some Yazel pistols that fit the forums idea of what is traditional so, if they look like the pistols that were used in 1866 or earlier, they are allowed. There are many Yazel pistols that look like a cross between a traditional sidelock or underhammer gun and a modern Colt 1911 or a High Standard ...Mar 31, 2024. #14. Remember, all muzzle loading guns are individual and all like "their" very own patch, powder, and ball combo, including the lube. I have used OX Yoke patches in cotton and ticking pre-lubed with their Wonder Lube, I have used Wonder Lube I have applied myself, and lots of other things over the years.Dec 16, 2023 · Patrick Rumora said: There is a huge difference between black powder and smokeless black powder and I want to make a few things clear. 1) Do not try to use any smokeless powders in any type of muzzleloader, UNLESS IT SPECIFIES IT. 2) If you don't understand the difference between black powder and smokeless powders. Republic mo. Jul 5, 2017. #10. Just look at the ballistics data a .54 loaded with 120 grains 3f will get about 1800 fps in a 35" barrel or so. At 100 yards will slow to 1050 or so. An 80 grain charge will do about 1500 fps and will slow to a little more then 900. Fater charges won't buy you a lot down range.Join the online community of muzzleloader enthusiasts and share your experiences, tips, questions and photos. Browse the latest posts on topics such as wet weather tips, bullet stability, flintlocks, percussion caps, and more.1,303. Location. Vermont. Apr 7, 2024. #1. One of the things I find so intriguing/ adicting about muzzleloader shooting is how critical each shot is. With unmentionables when you miss its its easy to rip off rappid fire makeup shots. With the muzzel loader when you miss its a done deal. I find this especially obvious when shooting steel.Virginia. Dec 21, 2022. #2. Thanks for sharing the link! With how esoteric the pre flintlock systems are, it would be great to consolidate information on making each type (snap matchlock, normal matchlock, snaphance, wheellock, combination lock). Obviously something like a wheellock requires a high level of skill and forgoing resources, but if ...i have a .45 pedersoli kentucky. using 2fg, start with at least 60 grains. once you get the patch thickness sussed out, increase 5 grains at a time and shoot 5 balls for each. with good weather and careful bench shooting, you'll find a charge load yer rifle will like best. make SURE to run a lightly lubed patch down and out ONCE between each ...Its a fine grained powder. Swiss 3f is a spunky powder! That charge with a .490 ball out of an old Renegade chrono'd 1750 fps. The Pennsylvania Hunter has 6 more inches of barrel, so I expect it'll be a wee bit faster. The triggers on both of my rifles are really excellent. Best TC sidelocks I've ever had.In the cannon you show the breech block is inserted making it a complete gun. The breech block is loaded from the muzzle end. A Ferguson is a good example as a breech loader the ball is inserted into the breech then the powder. This is like a modern cartridge gun as the cartridge does not contain the weapons breech (different than the cannon ...Pedersoli makes a very strong barrel. Having said that, I would. join in with Musketeer and cap the loads at the 100 grain limit or equal with pellets/powder. Triple 7, 50-60 grains. The actual load you will get to by working up to with targets, so. adjust yourself based upon results.0. Oct 25, 2004. #12. Nothing wrong with an inexpensive, budget, frugal-living rifle like the CVA Bobcat or clones. Yeah, the lock isn't the best, and the plastic stocks on the new ones look and feel pretty crummy, and the sights are just plain old ugly. BUT... they're shooters.Help Support Muzzleloading Forum: This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others.Apr 18, 2008 · 4. Sep 7, 2008. #8. There's almost as many different types of patchbox release mechanisms as their are schools of longrifles. Some builders that try to recreate specific longrifles as exactly as possible try to use the same type of mechanism as the original rifle they are copying, even if the mechanism is hidden. here is what ive learned from a combination of research and playing around with the pdersoli screw barrel pistol: 1. loading: the screw barrel pistol is NOT to be loaded like a traditional single shot pistol. the loading process is as such: A: unscrew the barrel. B: fill the powder chamber till it reaches the bottom of the "ball cup" (roughly ...SDSmlf said: For roundball I would suggest 1-56 to 1-60 at most. I had a 54 in 1-66 and it shot great, but it didn't start to get there until you were loading north of 100 grains of powder. Was still showing signs of improvement up to 135 grains, but my crowns and fillings were starting to loosen. Sold it.Jun 25, 2022. #10. About 6 weeks ago, Midway USA blew out their remaining stock of the Lyman/Pedersoli Signature Series GPR, and they are now discontinued on their site. Sale price on a flint kit was $480 and finished guns were under $600. Left hand in .50 caliber was a little less than $585.Reaction score. 3. Sep 27, 2023. #1. Midwestreloads.com is a scam site. I went there because they had percussion caps that no one else seems to have in stock. They only take Paypal, Zelle, or Cashapp for payment. I looked them up and sure enough SCAM. Luckily I didn't fall for it.I've looked around for a bit trying to find one of these, but I haven't had any luck so I'm gonna create my own. I'm gonna take my Traditions Kentucky and cut it down, recrown,etc. Then refit the nose cap, drill and tap the underside of the barrel for it. I know the Tennessee Rifle is a double wedge setup and the Kentucky is a pinned barrel.11,710. Location. St. Louis, MO. Jul 5, 2023. #3. What John Gemmer built was based on the architecture of the S. Hawken Plains and California rifles of the late 1860's. Using the S. Hawken plans as a guide to the parts you will have in the Investarms Gemmer kit is a good basis. I have seen one Gemmer Rifle.Pull the wedges and lift the barrel out of the stock. Do remove the nipple, maybe even that flash channel manufacturing plug that some call a clean out screw. Put the breech in a bucket of water. Add some soap to aid cleaning especially if you use an oil or greasy patch lubricant.It is nice and small and reasonably easy to make. The pattern is drawn on 1" squares. The area above the "dot-dash" to the "dash-dash" can be used in one of two ways. 1) folded under and sewn or 2) separate piece from thinner leather and folded as an edging as can be seen in the first photo.It is probably fair to say that most of the #AHA19 attendees know that cardiovascular disease is the leading cause of death in their respective country. We’ve heard this fact repea...Phoenix, AZ. Jun 3, 2020. #5. As long as the gun meets the ATFE's guidelines for it being an antique and it is unloaded, the post office will ship it. The ATFE basically says any firearm made before 1898 that is muzzleloading or shoots a cartridge that is no longer available qualifies it as an antique.Jun 24, 2023 · Oct 19, 2023. #3. 4' stick of 4" SCH-40 PVC with a strip of something wrapped around it like a barber pole. Pull it through a plywood plate with a hole and notch guide cut in it. Couple 2x4s, some screws, a small stick of round bar, some clamps, and a cutter head that I'll machine. Also known as a living trust, a revocable trust allows you to plan your estate by creating a written agreement that appoints one person to manage your assets. When you die, the tru...BLACKROCK 20/80 TARGET ALLOCATION FUND INVESTOR A SHARES- Performance charts including intraday, historical charts and prices and keydata. Indices Commodities Currencies Stocks391. Reaction score. 0. Oct 25, 2004. #12. Nothing wrong with an inexpensive, budget, frugal-living rifle like the CVA Bobcat or clones. Yeah, the lock isn't the best, and the plastic stocks on the new ones look and feel pretty crummy, and the sights are just plain old ugly. BUT... they're shooters.The short barrel like 20 or 22 inches is cute but has lots of short comings in muzzle loaders. The old timers sorted out how long a barrel needed to be and as powder got better the barrel got shorter. Looking at late guns and into the black powder cartridge rifles 30-32 inches became the normal length for full sized rifles.8. Oct 21, 2009. #1. Re: the CVA "USA" marked Mountain rifles only (not the second, non USA marked version)... I'm trying to get an idea how many of these rifles were made. I personally know of serial numbers as low as less than 200 (00001XX), and almost as high as 44,000 (00439XX). That's a lot of rifles (or at least barrels) for a young ...Reaction score. 11,681. Location. St. Louis, MO. Feb 9, 2018. #20. Historically the very short barreled smooth bores would have been thought of as blanket guns to be hidden under a blanket for defense or a surprise assault. The canoe gun is a modern term for a short barreled gun that might have been used in a canoe.Friends, our 2nd Amendment rights are always under attack and the NRA has been a constant for decades in helping fight that fight. We have partnered with the NRA to offer you a discount on membership and Muzzleloading Forum gets a small percentage too of each membership, so you are supporting both the NRA and us.Hunt Talk is a website for hunting enthusiasts to share tips, stories, and questions. The Muzzleloaders forum is a section for discussing muzzleloader equipment, loads, and hunting experiences. However, it does not match the query muzzleloadingforum.com, which is a different website.Soak a couple of cotton floor mop strands in a potassium nitrate solution (black powder will work). Clamp one in the cocked jaws of your flintlock cock, light the end of it, and open the frizzen to expose your priming powder. Pull the trigger. Satisfaction guaranteed, and you just took off another 100 years!After a Kia and Hyundai agreed to a $200 million car theft settlement, it's still hard for vehicle owners to get affordable auto insurance. By clicking "TRY IT", I agree to receive...Hi, I will occasionally post photos and descriptions of my work on a Chambers Little Fella's rifle kit I am building for Rifleman1776. Frank wants a small light rifle and this kit should fill the bill. Despite building >60 muzzleloaders over the years, I've only built one kit gun. That was a Navy Arms 1863 Springfield musket.

23. Location. Upstate NY. Dec 23, 2012. #6. I used 80 gr. 2F with a t/c 370gr. maxi ball was a very accurate load out of all my 50 cal. t/c muzzleloaders with a 1:48 twist. A 320 gr. t/c maxi ball worked well also. Never had much luck with accuracy with the t/c maxi hunters. The maxi balls have great penetration.. Pornpen.a

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The Gun Builder's Bench | The Muzzleloading Forum. This community needs YOUR help today. We rely 100% on Supporting Memberships to fund our efforts. With the ever increasing fees of everything, we need help. We need more Supporting Members, today. Please invest back into this community. I will ship a few decals too in addition to all the ...The Hawken and Renegade are advertised as being .500 bore with .006” grooves. This gives you a total space of .512” that you need to work off of. Subtract the .490 ball and this means you need to make up .022” of space. Divide that in half and you find that you need a minimum of .011” patching for a loose fit.Join the discussion on muzzleloading rifles, shotguns, pistols, cartridges, bullets, optics, and more. Find tips, reviews, recipes, photos, videos, and sponsors for muzzleloading enthusiasts.Here, in Henry's case he has a Pedersoli Frontier rifle. This is an advantage in that the Pedersoli is a factory made rifle and Pedersoli has a recommendation of a 0.440" ball and 0.015" thick patches. Patch lubricant can be a variety of mixes or store bought concoctions. 60 to 79 grains, black powder volume measure should be good for that ...The one I think I'm most attracted to is the Clay Smith kit. NW Trade Gun. A number of options. One that is attractive, from a skill level perspective, is the Pedersoli NW kit. Kibler Colonial. A no brainer build, and quality parts. For the moment, let's disregard caliber. Weight is one consideration.4. Sep 7, 2008. #8. There's almost as many different types of patchbox release mechanisms as their are schools of longrifles. Some builders that try to recreate specific longrifles as exactly as possible try to use the same type of mechanism as the original rifle they are copying, even if the mechanism is hidden.5,750. Reaction score. 8,562. Location. Tyrone , Pa. 16686. Apr 20, 2024. #7. Also , any time you fire one barrel , uncap the unfired one , and run the ramrod down on the remaining loaded barrel to make sure the load is still where you left it , when you last loaded it. This is a safety check many forget.There are numerous places that can be contacted to assist you. 3) Just because black powder firearms and muzzleloaders are considered to be older or primitive weapons. They will kill you just the same as a modern firearms. 4) Please take a proper training class prior to using any firearms.Here are 25 Best Muzzleloader Forums you should follow in 2024. 1. The Muzzleloading Forum. The Muzzleloading Forum is for owners to discuss Muzzle Loading Classifieds, firearms, general muzzleloading, hunting, reenacting, and so much more. B... more. muzzleloadingforum..Dec 8, 2018. #1. I am relatively new to ML. With the older eyes I changed the iron sights on the Lyman Great Plains rifle to the Lyman fiber optic sights. The rear hi vis green are ok but the front red is no better than the old iron sight. Was wondering if possible to take out the red fiber optic rod and replace with a green hi vis rod piece.York County Pennsylvania. Mar 28, 2024. #7. Those brass screws like to break. I have carefully ground the remaining 1/2 of the broken screw head off with a dremel tool, removed the other screw and patch box. You will then be able to remove the broken screw shank with a good pair of plyers or small vice grips.Location. Montana. Jan 23, 2024. #1. One thing I do like about winter is that it gives me a little spare time to catch up on some of my projects. I just finished this 1769 Pattern Short Land Brown Bess from the Rifle Shoppe. Now I will finish out the TRS Baker rifle I started a while back.Upcoming Longrifle related shows/events. Please contact a administrator or moderator about placing a post here. 9 Posts 5 Topics Last post by Ky-Flinter in Re: 4th …Stack all that over FFFG black powder. Start your charges around 45-50 grains of powder. Increase the charge 5 grains at a time until you find what the rifle likes. Consider getting a range rod for loading, use the short starter you have shown in the photo.8. Oct 21, 2009. #1. Re: the CVA "USA" marked Mountain rifles only (not the second, non USA marked version)... I'm trying to get an idea how many of these rifles were made. I personally know of serial numbers as low as less than 200 (00001XX), and almost as high as 44,000 (00439XX). That's a lot of rifles (or at least barrels) for a young ....

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